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153 Comments so far ...I love it, thanks for making my day! Comment on November 12, 2008 10:38 am[...] phony papers — with a large headline “IRAQ WAR ENDS” — surprised commuters, many of whom took the free copies thinking they were legitimate. The [...] Pingback on November 12, 2008 10:39 amCopyright infringement? Comment on November 12, 2008 11:18 amThe Nation’s Oldest Newspaper™ extends its bemused congratulations and hearty best wishes to the audacious scamps who have temporarily and harmlesly appropriated the New York Times brand, and used it as a platform on which to indulge in some creative, useful, and reality-based re-interpretation of reality. Talk about poetic justice. With its hidebound and blindered interpretation of reality, the hereditary stewards of the alleged “newspaper of record” have been the prime enablers over the past eight years of the Bush maladministration’s vicious and perverse reign. You may or may not face legal prosecution for violation of trademark rights. This is clearly a brilliant example of the use of protected material for satirical purposes. As such, no prosecutor worth his salt would charge you—and no jury could rightly convict. “Pinch” would have to be an idiot to sic his lawyers on you—so you had better be prepared! Kudos! Comment on November 12, 2008 12:24 pmYou rule the Earth. Comment on November 12, 2008 01:10 pmMuch better than the actual NYT, which is basically a stenographer for the status quo and promoter of lifestyles for the rich and famous. Mark Karlin Only if it were true (or come to be true), then what a wonderful idea/paper this would be. In fact, maybe you should create a separate banner (something like ‘The New Good Times’) and continue with the same theme, that of good news. God knows, we need as much good news as we can get. Comment on November 12, 2008 02:44 pmThis is brilliant.. I live in Chicago and would love to own and add a copy of this to my collection. How can people outside of New York get a print copy? JV Comment on November 12, 2008 04:18 pmby reading your fabulous newspaper I realized that there is something worth doing in this world … thank a lot. Comment on November 12, 2008 06:43 pm“Copyright infringement?” - identity correction, perhaps. For some reason I remember what happened with Halliburton, HUD, WTO… Comment on November 12, 2008 09:09 pm[...] Here’s the fake NYT online, if you want to read all the headlines. Very creative. Even the banner ads are progressive. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 01:04 am[...] and Pacific Street in Brooklyn, among others. The spurious 14-page papers — with a headline “IRAQ WAR ENDS” — surprised commuters, many of whom took the free copies thinking they were legitimate. The [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 01:54 am[...] USA), mais on soupçonnerait un coup des Yes Men. Voir aussi la réaction du NY Times, la version PDF du faux [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 02:49 amYou made my day! Yesterday, a legislation was passed here in Germany which shall enable the police to spy on computers, tap conversations, localize mobile phones etc. It seems we’re getting closer and closer to our very own version of the U.S. Patriot Act. Good news is just what I needed this morning, and they are a pleasure to read, even though they’re not real. Well, it is up to all of us to make them happen. As many as possible. Comment on November 13, 2008 03:30 amWow…what a dream of a world that would be!!! Comment on November 13, 2008 05:06 amGREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comment on November 13, 2008 05:14 am[...] York Times readers got a jolt of “liberal utopia” yesterday as part of the latest hoax by The Yes Men. Thousands of printed newspapers were distributed across the U.S. by volunteers, [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 05:58 am[...] Na ceo Buzz je reagovao i zvaničan NYTimes, a vaše izdanje ovog (Yes you can) PDF izdanja NYTimesa možete preuzeti za vašu ličnu arhivu. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 06:02 am[...] special edition of The New York Times was distributed on Wednesday in several US cities. Read the full issue here. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 06:17 am[...] http://www.nytimes-se.com/2009/07/04/todays-paper [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 06:26 am[...] warto zobaczyć też stronę NYT w wykonaniu Yes Menów, można tam też ściągnąć PDFa wersji drukowanej, warto też spojrzeć na to jaki procent pierwszego oświadczenia prasowego został bezpośrednio [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 06:29 amTake a little time to download and READ the pdf. It’ll make your day ! Great idea ! And so… “funny” ? Many thanks from Paris, france, where people definitely like you, crazy americans Is great! Strong action! Comment on November 13, 2008 06:55 amYea, good one! Thats how we can change something! Greetz from Konstanz/Germany Comment on November 13, 2008 07:30 amAll people ine in the world need 1 God believe.. [...] PS: il est possible de télécharger cette édition spéciale en format PDF sur cette page. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 08:29 amGreat idea! You guys are brilliant! Comment on November 13, 2008 08:29 amlet off steam. and more nothing but “Constant dropping wears away a stone” У нас про это говорят - выпустили пар, у народа, наверняка в свисток. Т.е. без особой пользы. Но кто его знает - капля камень точит. успехов! Comment on November 13, 2008 08:30 amBloody amazing. Comment on November 13, 2008 08:36 am[...] Take a look for yourself with the PDFs. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 08:46 am[...] spurious 14-page papers — with a headline “IRAQ WAR ENDS” — surprised commuters, many of whom took the free copies thinking they were [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 09:11 am[...] In the meantime, you can download a pdf of the edition here. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 09:21 am{applause} Comment on November 13, 2008 10:15 amGood Idea, terrific realization. Kudos! There are file sharing websites everywhere for big files, please make a torrent file, or use rapidshare or something to have a very high resolution copy of the paper!!! Comment on November 13, 2008 10:33 amYou’re getting suuuuued … Comment on November 13, 2008 10:38 am[...] The (fake) New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia Here's a funny (or at least elaborate) prank: a fake New York Times online, combined with a print version handed out to commuters. Learn more in this video: http://vimeo.com/2215007 (tags: buildtheecho pop) [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 11:05 am[...] El sitio : New York Times y la versión en PDF [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 11:12 am[...] aflutter in New York City yesterday when a group of volunteer activists released and distributed a fake copy of the New York Times with a banner headline announcing the end of the Iraq War. Upon further [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 11:20 am[...] Yes Men struck again with their own collective issue of the NY Times ( PDF for distro here ) dated from the future, Saturday, July 4th, [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 11:27 amWow - we can dream, can’t we! You’re making me “tear up” at work. It’s sad that, so far, one of the only ways we can receive such a multi-faceted vision of many of our common dreams is in the form of a “spoof”. Well, let’s face facts, folks - we’re not kidding about this! This is where many of us - and I would think, hello, a democratic majority of us - want to go. So, how do we most effectively move in that direction? To start, let’s figure out how to make the most of the incredible “buzz” (and, who knows, possibly even “furor” from the ever-more-traumatized right, and those with special or vested interests in the status quo) that this magnificant feat of satire is already starting to create! I’m forwarding this URL now! Comment on November 13, 2008 11:49 amAs we do indeed get what we focus on, this is an incredible focus for today’s world. [...] les lèvres brulées par le café trop chaud du Starbucks, le pas alerte du travailleur pressé: Iraq war ends. Un hoax qu’on aimerait prophétique, pour une fois. Une utopie qui laisse doucement rêveur. [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 12:57 pm[...] quem viu o The New York Times se deparou com essa edição forjada pelo grupo, datada de 4 de julho de 2009, e distribuída nos centros metropolitanos estadunidenses como se [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 01:55 pmThe ad about the diamond is so cynical! Comment on November 13, 2008 02:03 pmThis is not funny! Manipulation at it’s finest. Imagine what “bad” people could do. Sorry, but you will end in court. Comment on November 13, 2008 02:41 pm@27 (Spooky): Stasi 2.0 is definitely approaching: Peace image.Engulfed by the darkness reality. WE ARE HERE,and are living Great!! Absolutely great! Good for NYTimes. I like it. Comment on November 13, 2008 03:06 pmThis is so great! It’s wonderful what you have created here. Even the ads are neat. Although this looks really optimistic, a lot of it depends on government-controlled collectivism. Sure it’s better than what we have now, but people — please wake up! The solution is more real human relationships and less reliance on government-implemented systems. Implementing this vision would only have us abdicate our fundamental sovereignty further into the hands of a small group who would implement it, giving unprecedented monopolistic power to a few individuals. And this is exactly what the collectivist power mongers are looking for. I’m sure Zbigniew Brzezensky, the Rockefellers and the other NWO elitists are just elated that we’re all so willing to hand over our power and trust to them with such open arms. Comment on November 13, 2008 03:21 pm[...] Avenue, and Pacific Street in Brooklyn, among others. The spurious 14-page papers Pingback on November 13, 2008 03:27 pmMy old photo teacher has been doing this for years… Looks like the Times ripped off the idea. Check him @ http://www.jordantate.com under projects / New York TImes - Breaking News. Comment on November 13, 2008 04:02 pmI love this is great idea, it’s excellent! DOPE Comment on November 13, 2008 05:07 pmHow can I get a copy? I usually buy the paper at a metro stop, but I drove to school on July 4th,2009. Comment on November 13, 2008 05:52 pm[...] out the Web edition and PDF files. Too bad they didn’t produce any [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 05:58 pm[...] that several reporters at the NYT actually participated. And, it being the INformation Age, you can download a PDF of the actual [...] Pingback on November 13, 2008 06:28 pmWell done, and happy 4th of July! Comment on November 13, 2008 07:37 pmTHIS IS AWESOME! Have you heard about the Law of Attraction? Where we write the things as we would like them to be and read them everyday thinking that they are real! As Jesus said, “Whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have receive it and will be yours.” I will print a few pages and put them on my vision board believing that its already true! You Rock NY Times, I can’t believe they’re being sold on eBay. Kind of goes against the whole idea of the paper. I’m going to look around town for places that can print newspapers and hand them out here in Seattle as well. Comment on November 13, 2008 11:36 pmBrilliant! Especially the ‘ads’. Well done. Thank you! Comment on November 14, 2008 12:20 amGo maire sibh! Excellent,brilliant,extraordinary. My congratulations for this great Thank you! Thank you! Thank you to however is responsible for this. I just finished reading Ron Paul’s, “THE REVOLUTION, A Manifesto” when I saw this paper! It took my breath away for a moment. I couldn’t believe it! But when I realized what this paper was I came back to the reality that this is THE PEOPLE’S fight against capitalist greed - where the enemy has increased its strength after the unconstitutional war in Iraq! We have a long road ahead of us but its comforting to know there are others out there who feel the same way. Godspeed to all! Comment on November 14, 2008 02:58 amI love your work to no end. Greetings from Australia. Comment on November 14, 2008 04:32 amcongratulations! you even made it into the German prime time TV news! where can i buy the newspaper to spread it in my hometown in hamburg-germany?? Comment on November 14, 2008 06:15 amWhat was that….??? !!! Comment on November 14, 2008 06:19 amExcellent! Pls, how can people OUTSIDE the US get ahold of this? Comment on November 14, 2008 06:24 am[...] lees gewoon een complete toekomstige New York Times (PDF). Meer info is hier te vinden. Stem of voeg toe aan: [...] Pingback on November 14, 2008 06:39 amSpoof? Hoax? One of the greatest things about this vision is how the real media missed the point, and the news. WE are America, and yes we can! Comment on November 14, 2008 06:57 amImpressive. Congratulations Comment on November 14, 2008 07:23 am[...] If, that is, they happened to read a “special edition” of today’s New York Times. [...] Pingback on November 14, 2008 11:38 amGreat job! This is what press should really look like! Thank you! Comment on November 14, 2008 12:59 pmGreat - even the ads are awsome Great idea, this will trigger people to think about how our future can be improved by making the right choices…now!!! Great idea, this will help and remind Obama and his people to really make a change…Great idea, especially the adds…really a mirror for the actual company’s involved…Jah Man!!!! I just wish I coulda been involved. Comment on November 14, 2008 04:48 pmAlmost forgot… the ads are BRILL! Comment on November 14, 2008 04:53 pmThat would be brilliant if the “comment on” was July 4th 2009 Comment on November 14, 2008 08:10 pm#4 Logan: Way to go! Nothing like another friggin lawyer to sour things. Get a life. Comment on November 14, 2008 11:42 pmgreat!! can we have the printed version? Comment on November 14, 2008 11:58 pma great prank with a serious message to stay active - Right ON! Comment on November 15, 2008 08:40 am[...] Beatrice PS: Download a pdf version here. Also thanks [...] Pingback on November 15, 2008 08:48 amArticles & ads are truly brilliant. Who are the bright minds behind this wonderful spoof? Thanks for making my day. Comment on November 15, 2008 08:51 am[...] this very special edition of the ‘Times’, just follow this link and download it as a PDF file. It will be interesting to pull it out in July next year and see how well we are on the way of [...] Pingback on November 15, 2008 11:26 amOh my God!! [...] nie ma wersji drukowanej, może oczywiście zmagazynować na dysku PDFa, dostępnego na stronie fikcyjnego New York Timesa, stworzonego w ramach akcji. Nie wyobrażam [...] Pingback on November 15, 2008 11:58 amFantastisch! Why it takes you guys so long, to come out with this?! The hole world loves it! Comment on November 15, 2008 04:56 pmwho are you people and how can i join you!?!?!? Comment on November 15, 2008 07:14 pmhow can i join you!?!?!? 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Second, although you missed out on highlighting ending the war that the Bush government gave us (read: gifted us), here in Afghanistan-Pakistan region, but I am positive that sooner or later reason will prevail over your government’s hegemonic designs, hope will triumph over the ultimate brutality of your war-making machine and I dare imagine that on another bright day like this, U.S. will stop ‘liberating’ independant, sovereign nations. I dare believe that someday U.S. will learn not to export the ‘democracy-of-terrorism’ to countries it just wants to be in (for whatever ’strategic’ reasons). I wish I could only emphasize it anymore: People here don’t hate you because you are Americans, but only when you force us to be Americanish! You’re welcome here as much as we are welcomed there AND on the same condition: please mind your own business. – Victims of a bogus war. Comment on November 17, 2008 01:35 pm[...] you can see, this is a beautiful replica of the real thing. 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Comment on November 19, 2008 08:07 amFAKE JOURNALISM FOR THE REAL US Oh may you all be blessed, for such remarkable feat. For so much hope and change in your headlines, when Robama has already sold out to the insiders and is snickering, laughing at the stupidity of hope and change. Americans have given this man an opportunity and he has already given every one the finger. See Counterpunch for some real news. would love to see the printed version. Comment on November 21, 2008 01:52 amI HOPE THIS PLAN WILL CONTINUE BY THE ANOTHER COUNTRY POLITICIANS FOR THERE POLITICAL PURPOSE Comment on November 21, 2008 01:55 amWell done, from a technical standpoint . . . but are these headlines supposed to be POSITIVE? This is a Christian American’s nightmare! Complete obliteration of the free market, economic fascism (not that we haven’t been marching that way since the 1930s) . . . I’m surprised there’s nothing about abolishing religion, too! Why do you people hate Jesus and America? 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